Thursday, April 22, 2010

ITS BECOMING CRYSTAL CLEAR NOW update II

Oil tanking this morning along with the markets and gold. Its now clear the market is going down........today.....er...this morning maybe. Anyway I am certain of it. As the market marches down triple digits over "concerns in Greece" I have to look at a more likely explanation...and that is maybe they are less concerned for the moment about the impact of the Iceland issue and can let the steam now out of the recent levitation to maintain sentiment. Earnings aren't that bad today other than the issue of top line revenue issues and we all now how to resolve that.......increase productivity.....ya know.....like hey low life worker....less hours same productivity. Oh....and by the way we just shipped your job to India...right Red? Isn't that the way your business does it?

Oh and one more thing worker bee.....we can't afford your health care. It sucks being you, but take your beater off this property and pump in some of our gas at 85 bucks a barrel. After all...a lot of our boys have shed blood to establish our beach head on the shores of Tripoli to hold that price. And while we are at it don't worry we are prosecuting the graft...we may arrest Fabricio and crush the crooks of lower Manhattan.

I maintain my bullish stance on PMs and hope that you share my fondness for the priviledge of playing in the casino. If you think I am being sarcastic, you are partly correct but not entirely. This game would be closed if they had not put over 12.5 Trillion into this game since 2008 so you had better think twice if you are so "cock sure" of your solutions. I am not sure .....but I do know the game. gl

update I........absolutely true

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5jrZ_y0Dws

update II AXP blows out.....Of course. I hope all of you enjoyed the game today. We will switch dealers before we open the game tomorrow. All of you will be extended a complimentary room tonight and dinner. I wish all of you a good night.

I make it a rule never to smoke while I'm sleeping.
Mark Twain

96 comments:

  1. 82.52 is the 3/25 high on the dollar.
    CNAM gap still holding.
    Took some profits on ANDS and looking to re-enter
    Will add miners at SLV 16.75 and GLD 109

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  2. I love your headlines Kli, NVAX jumped this morning

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  3. I reread my post I hope you understand gang that nothing is clear because this is a mess.....lol

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  4. You're laying it out in style this am, but aren't you being kinda harsh with red? Sometimes I'm not convinced it's even clear to the PTB. anyway, S doing well on a red day...

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  5. Analyze looks like your gap down call was correct just a bit early.

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  6. Its been a while but Kli saying it is a mess is the understatement of the century. Love Blankfein saying a suit against Goldman will hurt America. it won't hurt America it might hurt him and the stock market but it will only help America if America can be saved
    Jeff

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  7. Temo,

    The real teller for ANDS will be end of May which is when they are going to announce their 12 week clinical trial for hepatitis-c, meanwhile As I mentioned before, the heavy resistance is still around $3 which is what the charts are telling us. They were supposed to meet yesterday and today with Lezard financials as well, wonder if they are working on new financing as well, stay tuned!

    Joe

    Joe

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  8. kli just like most is so confused and scared that does not know what the monster of NY is going to do, this is all fun and games as far as I am concerned.

    Joe

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  9. Bankers are in total control and it will remain that way, the rest is just dog and pony show for the outsiders. This process started long time ago and it's too late for real change now without complete structural change which I do not see taking into consideration the IQ of the public.

    Joe

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  10. KLI: Still holding my Goldman Suchs shorts!

    PS...check out the headline on the Drudge Report. Apparently GS CEO Lloyd Blankfein and Obama have been having a lot of tea lately.

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/04/21/92637/goldmans-connections-to-white.html


    You and Joe are right, this is one big game.

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  11. Jay,

    Goldman is shorting their own stock now and they will cover when they feel it's time. This country is run by selected group of powerful bankers and big corporations, never lose sight of it.

    Joe

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  12. Jay,

    If you have never seen the movie, " The Shooter", you should. There is a great line in that movie which is, " There are no sides, democrats or republicans, shiites or sunnis, it's only about HAVEs and HAVE nots". The play yoy see every day on T.V. and main media is just a show for you guys. The powerful controls it all.

    Joe

    Joe

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  13. Joe, How does one get in to the inner circle of these puppet masters? Is it determined by bloodline?

    And what about self made billionaire investors like Soros and Paulson? Did they get inside info or just lucky?

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  14. Jay,

    You need to be unjust, unethical, immoral, willing to cheat,lie, steal and if it comes down to it even worse. On top of it you need to be extremly ambitious about acquiring wealth and power and when the word comes out of the master's mouth who is a trillionare, you do it without questioning, you also need to show the capability to generate wealth for them. Soros and paulson are soldiers of the cabal, not the first tier by any means. The first tier are those whom you do not hear much about on T.V., media or any where else.

    Joe

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  15. There is no such thing as self-made billionire, self-made means they achieved it on their own, no one can achieve that kind of wealth on their own without the established power allowing them and without deals which would not have been possible without structure's approval.

    Joe

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  16. Jay,

    This is for you, heheeee!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5jrZ_y0Dws

    Joe

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  17. Trillionaire! The Real Dr. Evil!
    Shag Me, heheh
    -Eddie D. Hoarse

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  18. Eddie,

    Every one always thinks billionaires are the richest people on earth, wrong, heheeeeee!

    Joe

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  19. heck, GS has only been earning $1B a month and every one says oh my! what they do not know is the true wealth of the FIRST TIER POWER,heheeee!

    Joe

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  20. Eddie,

    Now you know the first tier is the richest and the most powerful entity in the entire world and ever known to man. All the names you guys hear or research on web are third to 4th tier of power, first tier's power is beyond even your imagination.

    Joe

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  21. CNAM seems to bottom here at 5.97, for now, after the secondary offered yesterday... I thought it would go down to ~6.00 and will turn up, but what do I know... there's also a gap at mid 5ish... I'm watching it like a hawk... took profits on ANDS yesterday, watching to reenter as well... JASO offers some gap trading too, been making some coins lately...

    Joe - I can see your "love" for the cabal(s); now I know what will get you to open up:)

    "You need to be unjust, unethical, immoral, willing to cheat,lie, steal and if it comes down to it even worse." - Completely agree with this...

    bcbk

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  22. And if you don't believe Joe .....just look at today's action.......Miners are threatening a near term break out today....on a red market ......with the dollar strengthening.....hmmmmm

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  23. bcbk,

    listen to utube I posted earlier, heheeee!

    Joe

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  24. I will Joe... Kli, it's hard NOT to believe Joe...

    BTW, what is it with Cramer bashing Lloyd/GS lately? what is his game now? I think I know what's going on though...

    bcbk

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  25. All,

    I wish you do not believe what I said above since ignorance is bliss and the less you know the better you sleep, heheeeee!

    Joe

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  26. Cramer NOT bashing Lloyd...and when he does bash Lloyd it will be because Lloyds boss will tell him to.

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  27. Joe, Great Youtube.

    Question about the upper tier secret society. Any chance the upper tier could ever lose their grip?

    KLI has been calling our system a Ponzi system. Shouldn't it collapse with time?

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  28. No......short of a complete global catastrophe ....ie massive nuclear exchange or a MASSIVE KATLA ....no. Individuals and families come and go with nature overall structure in place for several hundred years....much stronger now.

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  29. Joe - most of us were not born yesterday... I grew up in a war torn country, I've seen/heard a lot in my early life... yes, ignorance is bliss, and that's why I chose not to tell my children everything I faced until they are old enough to face reality...

    bcbk

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  30. bcbk,

    Do you think I have knowledge about the country you came from?

    Joe

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  31. Oh noticed my post on Red...should read ...Isn't that they way your business does it? I will change it.

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  32. Joe - I'm sorry I'm not sure if you do... I used to read your posts on SKF, but lost tract of you for a while when you stopped posting, and I stopped reading it... glad to have found you here... anyway, I grew up in the famous war in South East Asia...

    bcbk

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  33. Jay,

    As long as world is around, money or other commodities are exchanged for trade and way of life bankers would be around. Ponzis eventually collapse and be replaced by other ponzies, that's just the nature of things. Also, it's very important for you and others to realize that there will be no GOOD if it was not because of evil. One can not exist without the other, if it was not because of evil, you would not recognize and appreciate good and vice versa. Just like if there was no cold weather, people could not appreciate warm weather. This world is a struggle because of the opposite concepts that create struggle, without it there would be no need for humans to exercise the concept of CHOICE and FREE WILL.

    Joe

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  34. bcbk,

    Although I am an American I do not believe I am unfamiliar with the world around and my question was not whether I knew where specifically your home country was, it was if you tell me where you originally came from whether I would be familiar with the history, politics,,etc of that country.

    Joe

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  35. So anyone think we are going to hit $85 in crude? I have an oil weighted commodity trade in my 401K (it's either that or equities/bonds). Waiting for the elusive $85 I probably could have gone in and out a few times (even with the 30 day rolling window restriction, ouch).

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  36. CNAM taking off? Joe - you driving it up? ;-)

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  37. bcbk,

    It's important also you realize that you are in the minority and not majority when you mentioned you were not born yesterday. Majority of the people in this country especially majority population (whites) who are born and raised here for generations are not bright when it comes to history, politics, geography,,etc. Power structure knows it very well and has manipulated their thought process from childhood thru educational system to the point that they believe mostly anything they are fed especially when it comes to foriegn policy. It's the nature of power and as a white man I understand it well.

    Joe

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  38. Oh, I don't doubt you know about the history, politics. etc... around the world... I thought you meant if I've read your posts discussing matters regarding my country before... sorry about the confusion...

    BTW, I'm a little late for an appointment, I need to run now... but would love to chat more tomorrow... goodnight...

    bcbk

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  39. Homer,

    Why are you asking questions that you already know the answers to, heheeeeee!

    Joe

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  40. Homer,

    You are a very intelligent man, you and I go way back and it's important for you to take time from your busy schedule and post regularly, you can talk about anything you like preferably important subjects. Your comments and thought process is valued here.

    Joe

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  41. Thanx Joe - I will try! I'm more of a news/opinion gatherer than a chartist though. As you know, I prefer to learn and profit off the efforts of others, but at least I'm up front about it. ;-)

    Love this comment...
    "Power structure knows it very well and has manipulated their thought process from childhood thru educational system to the point that they believe mostly anything they are fed especially when it comes to foriegn policy."

    If people can not see that in action over the last several years...well then they are lost and the power structure will flourish.

    Crud - ran over to bail on the commodity trade, missed it by a minute...

    Double Crud - emergency came up and I see I forgot to post this...

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  42. Homer,

    I like your honesty, no problem about not being a chartist, we have people here from all walks of life with different expertise, contribute with your stronger points. Kli does not have this blog for me or Red, he has it for you guys and it's good for every one to contribute about important subjects.

    Joe

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  43. I agree... the comment about the 'power structure' was spot on. It is all about a select few controlling the many. Take Obama for instance. Throughout his entire campaign the media portrayed his mom as a free spirited hippie galloping around the globe. But they forgot one minor detail... she worked for the Ford Foundation developing microfinance programs in Indonesia. Oh, I almost forgot... she worked with Tim Geithner's dad while at Ford. He was in charge of grants to developing Asian countires. What would be the odds of young Barack and Tim having races at the company picnic? The select few have had a lock on this game for centuries and ain't ready to let it go.

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  44. You are very well informed anon and your input is appreciated. Yes and there are other "holes" in the resume that indicate that O was an excellent soldier for the PTB very early in his career...I have to laugh when the "numbnuts" depict O as a "foreign agent" or "muslim" .....He is just the opposite if you get the point....Skull and Crossbones

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  45. kli.. the "numbnuts" you refered to applies only to the followers ( public) of those who started the terminology of " foriegn agent" or "Muslim". The political front of the so-called numnuts are bought and paid for by true power. They know you have to have an illusion of two sides and the dumb public always fall for it. The entire concept of liberal vs conservative is one of the brilliant moves the real power came up with to create diversion among the masses knowing very well the bias of the public.

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  46. Just my .02, but as a technologist and a futurist, I think we are in the final spasms of the elite's control. Technology is moving too far and too fast and making many things too open for control to be maintained any longer. Technology serves no master but itself.

    Any reason why that thesis is incorrect?

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  47. fab: The internet is slowly becoming more potent than the nuclear bomb.

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  48. Are these estimate close. Basically they own the assets and capitalization behind most of companies and real estate in the West in addition to first dibs on all the gold in the Federal Reserve regardless if it's part of the member banks or those "parking" it there. No wonder the BRIC nations want to build up their own reserves. Lucky for them for every master of the universe who thinks they are at the top of the dog pile, there is always someone else one up. It's good to be paranoid, you live longer.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/rothschilds-rockefellers-trillionaires-of-the-world.html

    -Eddie D. Hoarse

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  49. I will give my .01 cent on the technology question: Because technology will be leveraged by the elite as an instrument to exercise greater control through enhancements of what has already been seeded - facial recognition software to remove all independence and anonymity (already implemented in airports, coming to a street corner near you), emotion sensing programs (so free thinkers can be labeled and "adjusted", those can be rolled out initially via video-conferencing or similar forums, which will probably proceed to be a common thing in most households eventually - why travel anywhere, let's keep you locked down), global currency tied with the requisite chip implants which can be card-based through national identity cards or the initial pilot program for it of the fast-path retinal scans in airports to speed up the process for internation travelers, psychiatric profiling which is the natural progression of the consumer profiling info collected off your browsing patterns, which itself has been proceeded from initial profiling of the TV programs you watch. So they will offer up all the open information you want through the technology available to the average person - and then collect your profile off what you browse and the emotion-sensing and psychiatric profiling software that will be rolled out to guage your reactions to all this open information you have access to, so that you are labeled, tagged as whatever form of animal they wish to label you as, and then herded accordingly to whatever form of information and training required to neuter you to the norm. Curiosity kills the cat, so to speak. - Analyze.

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  50. Analyze,

    The flaw in that line of reasoning is the information is generally publicly consumable and can be used, transformed, manipulated, really whatever your purpose. Otherwise how can you explain the role of seemingly useless technology like Twitter in helping foster democracy in places like Moldova during tyrannical insurgencies, or MMS pictures in Iran. Or even this blog in allowing someone like me, who is a terrible trader, to gain access to some more insightful and wiser people so I have a chance against the algos from the big boys?

    Just sayin.

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  51. My thought is they allow it to be useful at first to make it commonplace, and then once they have all their ducks in a row in terms of general populace penetration, implement the controls on top of it. Basic trojan horse approach. - Analyze.

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  52. Curiosity killed the cast, unfortunately Satisfaction didn't bring him back.

    About over 20 years an old journalism teacher of mine did intensively journalism of on the Rothschilds and their Black Mary bloodline cult worship, unfortunately I was more interested in Yoga and kendo at the time and did freelance work for beer money. To cut to the chase, retired and went into seclusion about a decade ago expecting them in the power mad delusion to usher in the man made apocalypse so they could usher in the version of the Messiah. (Unfortunately didn't understand the time of the Kress Cycle or would have had another 10 years to enjoy living it up in this brief existence before the law of nature returns) It went far beyond money and earthly power, or the earthly rule of kings.

    The creation of thesis and anti-thesis is pretty well laid out on the web for the curious. The children and selected prodigies are not all bad, a little spoiled and you can spot them in key positions or select intern positions in large companies, IBs and accounting firms for those that want to pretend to be making a difference by working to bring enlightenment to the great unwashed masses.


    But should anyone really even care what Caesar desires, the Universe gives each soul a limited amount of time in this physical existence to complete a set karmic path before their appointed time with the Reaper.

    Seeya all on the other side of the S&P 200 week moving average that is. I want to be around to witness the rise of the Alpo Revolutionary Front (ARF).

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  53. Re:ANDS. My SO mentioned she just saw an announce on a Bristol drug...

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63K5QB20100421

    "(Reuters) - An experimental Bristol-Myers Squibb compound called BMS-790052 is proving to be the most potent yet at treating hepatitis C, an infection poorly treated with existing drugs, company researchers said on Wednesday."

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  54. Ah yes, I had forgotten the end state goal. I'm doing a pre-emptive strike and declaring myself as Great Overseer of International Alpo Relations before the inception of the organization. It gives me blanket powers, and a very large hat quite reminiscent of the papal garb. The rest can scramble to designate their own titles, this one is already taken. - Analyze.

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  55. Fab,

    You mentioned:

    "Technology is moving too far and too fast and making many things too open for control to be maintained any longer. Technology serves no master but itself."

    It's other way around as far as control, due to high tech the CONTROL is much better than before including any movement to change, also the technology available to the public is not the same technology available to the powerful and their soldiers. From public awareness perspective, the technology available to public has not done anything to change the level of AWARENESS for majority . It's much harder for the sheeple to change major things these days than it was 30 or 40 yrs ago. System is lot more powerful, more entrenched and technology available to powerful is beyond your IMAGINATION.

    Joe

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  56. What's strange... 10 years ago, I would consider a lot of this thread as conspiracy talk. But today it all makes sense.

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  57. Joe, what is the goal for the overlords? They've got cash, they've got power. What's next? Just retain power at any cost for their kids?

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  58. Fab your assessment on technology is correct but keep in mind who controls the technology.
    Here in Thailand we have been the victim to the government sensors and the military removing access to sites as well as a complete shutdown of internet access.

    Analyze does that position come with a mitre? hehehe

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  59. Jay,

    People were lot more aware in 60s and 70s and also more active than now, overall society is lot more complacent now than before when it comes to important issues, technology available to most these days have made more zombies than create AWARENESS to REAL and IMPORTANT issues. Look at the entire population and tell me what percentage is really aware and also what percentage are willing to make sacrifices to make real changes. In less than 30 seconds your whole life story can be revealed by NSA using internet you folks do. From tracking perspective signals sent to NSA thru sattelite and eye in the sky tracks where you go and what you do without GPS in your car, and that's just minor.

    Joe

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  60. Joe-

    I'm curious what would lead you to that conclusion? I've seen some insane things in development, things I couldn't imagine possible just 4-5 years ago. But I disagree that it promotes control; everywhere I look, those who stand in the way of change are eventually steamrolled. How do you control skynet? All the technology I see is made public for the express reason of letting it find its ways into the most competent hands. The only thing they have which I don't, AFAIK, is algo trading programs. And even then, it's only a matter of time until a jaded trader who lost a fortune develops an open source algo as good or better than anything the big boys have.

    FWIW I'm inclined to agree with you I just don't see anything from where I sit to support that viewpoint. All I see is technology that is outstripping our capability to manage it.

    If they want to keep control they're going to have to have some major war that rolls the dial back 50-100 years in human progress sometime in the next 10-12 years, or technology will win.

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  61. Jay,

    What good is power if it's not used to control and thrive for even more power.

    Joe

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  62. Fab,

    Internet available to you is not new, do not forget Internet was created in 60s by department of defense but to the public internet did not become available till 90s. Are you naive?

    Joe

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  63. Just saw the Carlin video, hopefully I am not that openly cynical again, heheheh.

    NSA computers at least 20 years ahead of commercial, elite ruling systems ahead of NSA computers. It will take the Chinese 25-50 years to get to where the NSA is today. Russians different story, they got some of the Nazi tech and developed on a different branch of technology during the cold war than the stuff the US got and had literally serendipitously gifted to them after WWII.

    All the TARP and emergency spending did not all go to fill black accounting holes in bank ledgers or bonuses. What GS and the remaining IB are officially earning and paying out in bonuses is chump change. The math just doesn't work. As for GS, they are assuming the traditional historical role of scape goat of the true powers, 30 pieces of silver is not worth being an ornament on a lamp post.

    Somebody has decided a big project needed to be placed on the fast track that required lots of capital and resources, and it ain't building Don Quixote Windmills up and down the Rockies or prosecuting the war on indigenous former CIA operatives in the mountains of Afghanistan.

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  64. Fab,

    "I'm curious what would lead you to that conclusion? I've seen some insane things in development, things I couldn't imagine possible just 4-5 years ago. But I disagree that it promotes control; everywhere I look, those who stand in the way of change are eventually steamrolled. How do you control skynet? All the technology I see is made public for the express reason of letting it find its ways into the most competent hands. "

    Are you really serious? You really have no idea, do you?

    Joe

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  65. Birdie knows any movement beyond your imaginations, the tech available to powerful is something you won't find out for a long time. Damn right it controls every freaking movement, cell phones easily traced, e-mails easily read, if they want they will even know what you had for lunch, who you saw, whom you shot the breeze with, the whole enchalada. You guys really think you have real FREEDOM?

    Joe

    Joe

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  66. I think if you look at what is beyond power and wealth in what the elite have in current form, similar to what Joe said, the next progression is essentially to have complete mental control and be worshipped/served as gods, same thing that drives serial killers essentially, where the power rush comes from removal of people's freedom to live, especially if they beg to keep it (analogous to current flagging of corruption and giving viewpoints about it that they allow, then stamp out). They view people now to watch them walk around exercising some level of freedom, but feeling the excitement of the foreknowledge they will take it away. The boredom might set in when all is under control, what is left to gain then, outside of reliving the memory of the past? So some anomolies may be allowed to exist to keep the chase alive.
    The holy grail on the tech side is mind-mapping software to alter thought patterns even through remote means.

    Yes Temo, mitre already mail ordered. - Analyze.

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  67. did anyone see Bernie's speech?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmoTY95ailg&feature=player_embedded

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  68. Joe you are on a roll tonite. All good points.

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  69. Fab,

    Pick up the latest fad the Iphone, Ipad, instantly locates you , automates your habits, matches with location plus time plus your date credit card transactions. NSA/elite computers have backdoor into every system , quickly can draw up a complete psychological profile and predict what you will likely buy and do. From what you and where you like to eat to what to like to jerk off to and when. The key words are tracked, recorded and correlated.

    From this profile you can assign lists to enemies of the state, fall guys, recruits, and tailor specific marketing to keep you compliant and distracted , cable programming / facebook marketing without heavy handed tactics like threats.

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  70. Red,

    You mentioned:

    "NSA computers at least 20 years ahead of commercial, elite ruling systems ahead of NSA computers. "

    The exact number is 38 yrs ahead of commercials and elite ruling system even more ahead of NSA. It's the most secretive and powerful tech known in the history of man. Tech available to public is TOY.

    Joe

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  71. All,

    Let me make it clear to all of you once and for all, there is a tech available to you guys, another form of tech available to law enforcement, more sophisticated and lot more advanced systems available to NSA, CIA and military, and then the most advanced tech which is even more complex and sophisticated than NSA available to elite.

    Joe

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  72. KLIguy, Joe. I know it's late, but I want your opinions on this post:

    "GS is bad but US Gov is much worse"


    http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_G/threadview?m=tm&bn=8089&tid=607308&mid=607308&tof=1&frt=2

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  73. Jay,

    what makes you think they are seperate entity?

    Joe

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  74. Joe, from what I've seen in the last year, you are probably right. I guess a tiny bit of me still wants to believe that our system is legit. I like capitalism. Love it or hate it, it's done wonders.

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  75. Red,

    "Pick up the latest fad the Iphone, Ipad, instantly locates you , automates your habits, matches with location plus time plus your date credit card transactions. NSA/elite computers have backdoor into every system , quickly can draw up a complete psychological profile and predict what you will likely buy and do. From what you and where you like to eat to what to like to jerk off to and when. The key words are tracked, recorded and correlated.

    From this profile you can assign lists to enemies of the state, fall guys, recruits, and tailor specific marketing to keep you compliant and distracted , cable programming / facebook marketing without heavy handed tactics like threats. "


    CORRECT and then SOME, there is no such thing as ANON!

    Joe

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  76. Jay,

    I am not telling you what to believe and what not to believe. Personally I prefer you believe system is legit, do not worry just make sure you pay your taxes and be a good boy and be happy, it's better to be a sheeple as I said before than know what the heck is really going on. I like naive and unaware more than people like RED.

    Joe

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  77. It's a blessing that majority of the society is not like RED and kli, it makes it easier. If most of the public starts talking and thinking like those two then system will not be a happy one. Focus on your daily jobs, and other personal activities. The less you know the better it is.

    Joe

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  78. Fascinating discussion here today. As someone said, if I was was reading all of this 10, even 5 years ago, I'd say you're all nuts. And yet, know, I believe it completely. I was never a sheep, to be honest, and always curious/skeptical by nature, and unlike the average American, a big history/geography/foreign policy buff.

    I never really believed, however, that there was this secret uber-society that ran the world. I do now, without a doubt. I'm not sure how far back you can trace its origins, but the 1700s in Europe might be a good start, when Mayer Amschel Rothschild's 5 sons spread out to form and expand their dynasty. They married outside their families, usually to members of ther royalty and aristocracies. It's not just them, of course, as the ruling elite comprise of many other branches, but this is just one that makes for good reading if you want to get started.

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  79. All,

    Today was a great conversation and a very important conclusion which I already knew but wanted to prove to myself was accomplished. The point is what happens if majority of the readers of this blog are told unpleasant TRUTH and that concept really applies to rest of society as well but the truth really means they have to accept the illusions they have had and therfore they need to change and along with that their life style won't be what it used to be. Most people will say the heck with the truth, make sure I can continue my life style and I do not give a damn how that's provided for me, meaning the heck with the truth, I can not handle the truth if that means I have to change myself, my life style and start caring about something more important than material and daily pleasures, so give me capitalism, it's the best. The conclusion is what churchil said which is political and economic system of any country is the representation of the mind set, awareness and willingness of the majority of the people who live in that country. Most of you want capitalism eventhough it only serves few percentage at the expense of many. The real source of problem is not the powerful, it's the average people who like it since they still have adream that some day they will hit it big. Very interesting!

    Joe

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  80. Anon,

    what you said really is warm up , the real point is let's assume you already know how the game is played and how much corruption is in play, does knowing the truth means you are going to try and change yourself and your life style OR who cares what the truth is as long as you continue having a nice life style regardless.

    Joe

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  81. joe, what a mind fuck you gave us today. You are right dude, you know human nature better than any one I have seen, what a strategy tell the truth and prove that real source of problem is not the powerful but the majority of the public who have dreams of becoming rich and powerful, therfore they contribute to what they resent and deep inside they like wealth and power themselves and that makes us the source of the problem. You are a fucking genius.-Jim

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  82. Joe,

    You bring up a good point. Unlike most of the sheeple, there is a small % of us who know the truth. But we are powerless to make a change, so what good would it do for me to change myself? It's not going to make a wholesale difference, and in the end, I'll get screwed regardless. Doesn't it make sense to know the truth, and yet play along like a good boy, and see how far that might take you?

    One of my favorite movies is They Live. Towards the end, as the Roddy Piper and David Keith characters break into the building where the "signal" is coming from, they run into this guy who had be-friended them earlier. IIRC, they tell him he's a sell-out, a coward, blah, blah, and his response is classic:

    "Guys, they run everything. They run the whole show. So, why not play along? You might as well be on the winning team!"

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  83. Anon,

    Ghandi said, " Be the change you want to see your surrounding to be". It starts with individuals and even if most do not want to change themselves, that still is no excuse for you not to change yourself. It's not the matter of not having the capability, it's the matter of choice. what ever you do, do not lie to yourself. There is a huge difference between CAN NOT and WON'T. Because of capability to choose which is the greatest asset humans have, concepot of can not does not apply in this case. You can change your life style if you really want to, no body is stoping you but yourself.

    Joe

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  84. also anon, everything depends on your definition of winning. At the end your body decay will be so bad most animals will not want to get close to the corpse. Every choice has consequences, it all comes down to level of awareness. Based on your description since most like to give in to darkness therfore you should too. So who is the winner? Humans are amazing!

    Joe

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  85. By the way anon you exactly gave me the line Al pacino did in , "Devil's Advocate". We are what we do, either we are part of the problem or part of the solution. It's better not to know the TRUTH and that way at least you have an excuse of telling you did not know vs your case which is even worse since you know the truth but still give in to evil,heheeeeee!

    Joe

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  86. Joe,

    But by all accounts, it's too late. Even if I change myself and my life-style, wouldn't that cause "them" to label me a potential threat and enemy? I thought we all agree that there's no freedom, just the illusion of it. You may think you're changing yourself, but ultimately, that will make you stand out like a black sheep.

    My definition of winning: Having a roof over my head, the ability to feed myself and my family, being in good health, travel the world, and just enjoy live as much as possible. I'm not at all motivated by thoughts of one day living in a mega-mansion, driving exotics, taking 5-star vacations, and having millions in the bank.

    At present, I don't at all feel like I have given in to darkness. What would be your definition of doing so?

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  87. Anon, come on you are bringing excuses, we are not talking about you standing up to the powerful and sacrifice everything including your life, even though that's the ultimate win since definition of winning is not based on who lives and who dies, evry one dies. Winners are those who did the right and honorable act during the time they lived. I am basically talking about you changing your life style, system does not stop you or threat you for that. Be honest deep inside you like what powerful has and only bringing excuses. You are not capable of lying to me, you are only lying to yourself and bringing excuses not to do the right thing. Stop lying to yourself. You are talking to a professional.

    Joe

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  88. anon, you are full of shit and I am not even a professional like Joe is, it's too obvious you are bringing excuses. This is not high school, have some balls and admit you like what's considered real sin. You already admitted you know the truth but like to give in to the other side. You already gave it up dude, even a blue collar worker like me reads right through you.-Jim

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  89. As Joe correctly mentioned in the past, every choice requires sacrifices. Come on mother fuckers, have some courage and admit deep inside you are also corrupt and therfore you have no fucking right to complain about the powerful when you yourselves are corrupt as well except without the power.-Jim

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  90. Joe, I am sick and tired of most of these cowards who have a hard time admitting they are not looking for justice and as you said, they envy the wealth and the power they do not have and wish they had and that makes them no different than powerful.-Jim

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  91. Jim,

    Take it easy brother, no need to swear at anon. Busy day for me coming up, talk to you all later.

    Joe

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  92. Anon... nothing wrong with having a roof over your head and support your family. The question is what kind of a house and also you mentioned travel the world, right there that statement puts you in luxury category and not need. Traveling the world is a luxury and not a necessity and that's the overall point Joe is making, americans do not know the difference between need and want any more. You do not need a house in order to have a roof over your head, it can be a small apartment and if you really are sincere about having a simple life then I am sorry traveling the world which is expensive does not fit in the category of simple life. As a nation we need to start living modestly and understand the difference between what's necessary and what's luxury. As kli mentioned himself we might not have that option once nature comes calling.
    Frank

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  93. Frank, great post, we have lost our way, the idiot considers traveling the world a simple life, what a joke!-Jim

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  94. joe/red,

    i think you are misrepresenting the exposure i have had to such systems at 3 letter agencies in the us. i dont think many people understand how many places gather intel and how they all have budgets which dont show up anywhere and how much capital they have. moist here probably dont realize these places even have VC firms like the CIA's In-Q-Tel.

    I know the government had the ability to pinpoint me down to the color of my hair and the size of my shoes long before MapQuest or Google starting doing satellite maps of earth.

    I know government is closely integrated into the commercial technology space, that they were given access to things like the channels through which instant messages pass and they monitor THEM ALL.

    but for every satellite system that can target and obliterate someone crossing the us border there are 1000 bureaucrats at these places and 5000 staff which wouldnt' be able to land employment at McDoanlds if they wanted. SO I'm a bit skeptical about how this all used.

    Might be a conversation for offline, but I've been in the trenches, and I don't see it amounting to anything more than the elite maybe having toys they have idiots playing with.

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  95. Jim, why are you so foul-mouthed? Are you unable to disagree with someone civilly? You know nothing about this guy, yet you've been calling him names with every reply.

    As for me, I think in a wierd sort of way, I actually envy this guy:

    http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/04/23/1164899/death-of-caveman-ends-an-era-in.html


    -CJ

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